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17 Jul 2009

FOA 09 MEDIA: Houston, SF Response

Our West Coast media hits for tonight include:

- San Francisco, where Florida Danny of Niners Nation replies to my reply to his reply on my 49ers chapter in Football Outsiders Almanac 2009. There's not much else for me to say here, except that Danny's points are all eminently reasonable and absolutely worth reading.

- Houston, where the third part of our series with Stephanie Stradley revisits our look at year-to-year red zone consistency.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 17 Jul 2009

8 comments, Last at 22 Jul 2009, 1:53pm by JPS

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by buzz :: Fri, 07/17/2009 - 12:40am

Is there somewhere in the book or on the site where we can see what players/teams over/under achieved the most in the red zone. This has been a hot topic in the book this year but I haven't really been able to find some good data that shows it. Maybe it is in one of the chapters that I haven't gotten to yet? Thanks in advance!

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by Bill Barnwell :: Fri, 07/17/2009 - 1:13am

Look in the "Trends/Splits" section of each team chapter...

3
by blue_magic (not verified) :: Fri, 07/17/2009 - 8:35am

Me fail english, thats unpossible

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by buzz :: Fri, 07/17/2009 - 9:03am

Thank you, that is helpful. I had seen that but wasn't sure if there was something with the whole table put together and maybe showed how many TD's they underproduced or something. Especially for players like how it is mentioned that Steven Jackson underperformed inside the 5 and how many more TD's he would have gotten. I may be able to piece some stuff together though. Thanks for all the information.

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by mrh :: Fri, 07/17/2009 - 12:22pm

I'm a big PFP/FOA fan but one suggestion I'd make for improvement is some roll-up tables where things like red zone performance, strategic tendencies, etc. can be viewed in one place. App B is a good start but I think it would be easier for the reader to see all the teams, not just top/bottom 10, in one place, and more sta categories.

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by dedkrikit (not verified) :: Fri, 07/17/2009 - 10:37am

love these city-by-city reply threads. (I take it this is the digital version of a book tour? Either way, this is more enjoyable for those of us not in a city to be visited.)

captcha: squirted $8,519,032
just wow.

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by Mr Shush :: Fri, 07/17/2009 - 11:02am

As Steph pointed out in the comments to the previous thread on this subject, I believe you guys have yourselves done research which suggests that zone blocking teams tend to perform less well running the ball in the red zone than those with more conventional blocking schemes. It may well be the case that red zone over/under-performance does not carry over from season to season in general, but the general rule may not fully apply to the son-of-Shanahan (literally) offense used in Houston.

That said, the Texans have a very young offensive line, which should improve, and have drafted a blocking tight end, which they didn't have last year. One might hope that both of these factors point to improvement.

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by JPS (not verified) :: Wed, 07/22/2009 - 1:53pm

It's really nice to see such thoughtful and detailed engagement of FO's superb work, not just "here's what FO has to say" with oohs and aahs.

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